Immune/Cannot be the target...

Bonjour à tous,

Dans la foulée d'un deck Large man/An offer..., je réfléchissais à ces cartes.

•Disc of Itzamna, Protective Amulet
Support - Attachment. Relic.
Cost 2
Attach to a character.
Attached character cannot be the target of triggered effects.
After Disc of Itzamna leaves play, shuffle it into its owner's deck.
The Breathing Jungle F57 / Illustrator Melissa Findley

•Veronica Frost, Elegant but Deadly
Character - Independent.
Cost 2 / Skill 2 / Icons
Response: After Veronica Frost is committed to a story, choose another one of your characters committed to that story. That character is immune to triggered effects until the end of the phase.
Murmurs of Evil F36 / Illustrator Cris Griffin

Comment interprétez-vous cela? Immune = peut être la cible, mais sans effet? immune = n'annule que les effets négatifs (j'en doute)?
Et question bonus, que ce passe-t-il si j'attache un Khopesh à un gars et que je le désigne comme cible de la réponse de Mrs. Frost? Il peut canarder à tout-va? Pour moi, oui, mais pour Damon? Enfin, vous voyez, quoi...

Pour immune, je dirais qu'il peut être ciblé mais ne subit aucun effet, positif, neutre ou négatif. Tant que "immune" n'est pas défini en tant que terme à Cthulhu, c'est ce qui est le plus proche du sens de "immunisé".

Pour le Kopesh, j'ai arrêté de lire la carte pour savoir ce qu'elle fait.

De fait, le Disc me semble empêcher l'application du Khopesh, par contre Véronica Frost, c'est plus borderline.
Moralité, ne pas jouer avec des linguistes à des CCG/LCG.

mzi a écrit:Comment interprétez-vous cela? Immune = peut être la cible, mais sans effet? immune = n'annule que les effets négatifs (j'en doute)?

That's defined in the FAQ:

(2.31) Immune
Some cards have the card text “Immune to X” in their text boxes. This means that they cannot be targeted by cards with that subtype and/or card type. This also means that if a card with that subtype and card type does not target a specific character, but affects all characters or a group of characters, these cards ignores that effect.

mzi a écrit:Et question bonus, que ce passe-t-il si j'attache un Khopesh à un gars et que je le désigne comme cible de la réponse de Mrs. Frost? Il peut canarder à tout-va? Pour moi, oui, mais pour Damon? Enfin, vous voyez, quoi...

Mrs. Frost doesn't help against the Khopesh, because the Kopesh's Action is not a targeted effect, as per the current FAQ:

An effect that resolves on 1 or more cards without specifically using the word “choose” is not a targeted effect.

This is part of the reason why the Khopesh is so (broken) good.

Jhaelen a écrit:

An effect that resolves on 1 or more cards without specifically using the word “choose” is not a targeted effect.

This is part of the reason why the Khopesh is so (broken) good.

Nice try but khopesh says : Action: Choose a character. That character and attached character each take 1 wound.

So, by définition, it's a targeted effect.


Sinon, comme le dit Jhaelen, c'est écrit noir sur blanc dans la faq. immune = peut pas etre targeté et si jamais c'est un effet de masse, ca ne s'applique pas aux immune.

Thankci à every un.

Au temps pour moi.

B_P a écrit:Nice try but khopesh says : Action: Choose a character. That character and attached character each take 1 wound.

So, by définition, it's a targeted effect.

Ack! I should remember not to post without having access to the card text!

It's actually the Initiate of Huang Hun's ability I was thinking about. In contrast to e.g. Farrington's or the High Wizard's ability it doesn't use the word 'choose':

After Initiate of Huang Hun enters play, each player returns a character he controls to its owner's hand if able.

Thanks for the correction

Donc, si je suis bien, le
An Offer You Can't Refuse
Event
Cost 0
Action: Ready an exhausted character you control. Then, each opponent draws a card.
"We knew you'd see it our way."
The Order of the Silver Twilight F4 / Illustrator John Moriarty

Ne ciblant pas sa "cible", on peut la protéger (au hasard, un Large Man) avec:
•Disc of Itzamna, Protective Amulet
Support - Attachment. Relic.
Cost 2
Attach to a character.
Attached character cannot be the target of triggered effects.
After Disc of Itzamna leaves play, shuffle it into its owner's deck.
The Breathing Jungle F57 / Illustrator Melissa Findley

Mais c'est horrible...