Championnat européen 2015 / European Open 2015

Alors? on veut un CR.

C était la merde mon frère, je me suis fait rouler dessus avec mon deck pas playteste.

Sectario champion d Europe. Jeff publiera le résultat et je post demain des photos  

La c est l after bière charcut!

Les tables X wing



Le lancement de netrunner



Xwing



Xwing




Moussine qui prépare son deck avec mes cartes. J'ai du lui file tout mon mojo il a quand même réussi à rentrer dans le top 8...



Des biscuits necronomicon... Je vais en filer 2-3 à ma femme pour voir si ça la transforme en cultiste



Les derniers préparatifs




Netrunner a 30 min d'avance sur Cthulhu

Un jeu de catch !!!




Apparemment Xwing est aussi en avance sur Cthulhu...



Le musée Français de la carte à jouer, super lieu pour jouer même si dans certaines salles il y avait un manque de lumière.



Ca continue toujours à arriver côté Cthulhu




1er adversaire du jour: Hansen. La seule partie où je me suis fait laminer. Les autres parties se sont jouées à rien du tout...


Ça sent la loose!



Petit tour des tables après ma défaite

2eme adversaire Tanaari. La partie se joue au moment où il me sort "immurement" sur "stygian eye" qui avait pris le contrôle du "clover club pit boss". Je lui ai quand même vidé sa main avec Byakhee attack tour 1 et tour 2...


Le jeu n'a même pas commence qu'il a déjà du mal à jouer... C'est dur le sourcing!



3eme adversaire: Torghull. Son jeu sacrifice serpent/cthulhu n'arrive pas à sortir. Jamais il ne voit le temple de la partie. 1ere victoire et dernière de la journée -_-



Pause miam



4eme adversaire: Sectario. Très bon début de partie et au lieu de jouer safe en prenant les histoires 1 par 1, je décide de tenter d'en prendre 2 dans le même round. Je me fais contrer et jamais je n'arrive à revenir. 4eme défaite...



Mais à qui peut bien appartenir ce tapis?



Dernier adversaire du jour: WWdrakey. Au time, j'ai 2 histoires à 0. Au départage, il gagne de 2 success tokens...

Top8 lancé! 1 français à chaque table, 3 espagnoles et 1 polonais. A noter la performance d'un deck sans créature qui fait 5-0 dans le tournoi...




La finale avec un arbitre principal pas très réveillé



Quelques erreurs des 2 côtés à cause de la fatigue mais partie sympa. Contrôle avec negotium, frozen time et snow grave vs un shub qui sort mass ghoul. Ygo qui se fait blank avec frozen time et trade avec peaslee. Un tour de raté pour aller sur negotium et en face sectario qui hésite à y aller.




Champion d’Europe 2015: Sectario! Bravo aux espagnoles pour leurs decks trés intéressant, à notre polonais et finlandais pour avoir fait le déplacement (contrairement aux belges et surtout à Leng qui a réussi trouve une excuses de merde pour pas venir :d)



2eme le poulidor lyonnais de Cthulhu qui va la ramener jusqu'à l'année prochaine



3eme et 4eme qui n'ont même pas fait la partie pour départager la position. Excuse: "je suis trop fatigue". 23H30 "Bon allez on sort sur paris la j'ai la patate, on va pas s’arrêter maintenant hein?"


Photo de groupe après la finale. Il manque quelques personnes, nous étions 20 joueurs et un arbitre. Merci pour l'orga Dadajeff et Moussine



L'after. Bien sur on refait le monde et les parties "non mais si t'avais joué çà..."

Arg ces belles photos me font encore plus rager, je crois que je vais faire la tete longtemps à la maison moi et mon petit deck Yith...
quelqu'un organise un truc près de chez moi, vite ...

First,
    Many thanks by the great reception, and a very nice environment. Again, it is nice have a good environment.

  I hope return another year.

Hi everyone

first of all let me thank the organizers for the event. It was in an awesome location and everything was done perfect.

Second, I am writing to you because of the Claret Knight question that occurred during the tournament. For the interested people, the question is the following: if the Claret Knight is the only available choice for a sacrifice effect (such as Many Angled Thing or The temple) is he going to die? According to the French guys the answer was yes, according to me and the Spanish guys the answer is no.

Last year in Spain, at the regional, there was the same question and back then I had the same opinion as the French. Unfortunately, it had already been asked to Damon by the Spanish, and this is the answer they got back. TL;DR: no, Claret Knight is not eligible to be sacrificed is he is the only character in play.



One of our main problems is The Claret Knight, a card that appears in everyone's deck as the immunity (as we play it) is brutal, and causes a lot of trouble among our community... Could you explain in detail how it works?
These are some of the problematic situations we have found:

1) What happens when my opponent plays Many Angled Thing and I only control a Claret Knight? In this case the triggered effect targets a player, not a card2) If my opponent triggers the Temple of R'lyeh and I have to sacrifice a character, can I choose my Claret Knight? 3) Some effects don't have a specific target, as in The Plague Stone. Would The Claret Knight be immune to The Plague Stone as well?

If The Claret Knight is immune to anything that comes after a Bold word:, the only way to get rid of it would be winning a combat struggle or using a card with a passive effect (such as Stygian Eye to take control of it, or Frozen Time to blank its text), is that right?

And his answer:
Indeed, any triggered effect that targets a character cannot target The Claret Knight and any triggered effect that is un-targeted is ignored by The Claret Knight. The only way to directly affect The Claret Knight with card effects is through passives or a triggered effect that creates a lasting condition that alters the game rules in some fashion (for example, a card effect that changes how the Combat struggle is resolved and lets me choose which of my opponent’s characters to wound at a story if I win, rather then him, would let me wound The Clare Knight because that affect is resolving on the Challenge Struggle itself not the character, and by the time the Combat struggle is being resolved that effect has already resolved).

1) An effect that forces a player to choose a character to sacrifice is still targeting The Claret Knight (it says who does the choosing, but The Claret Knight is still the thing that would have to be chosen so it would ignore the effect).2) An effect that chooses a player and forces them to do something would still be a targeted effect trying to resolve on The Claret Knight which he would then ignore.3) Just like with 2, The Claret Knight ignores triggered effects, regardless of how it would try to be applied to him.

It should be noted that because The Claret Knight would ignores all of the effect, other characters would have to be chosen if at all possible, and if there was no other character to be chosen, the effect still is ignored by The Claret Knight.




Hope it helps, guys

Konx

Hi Konx, thank you to come. I expect you and Priscilla have had a lot of fun in Paris.

About Claret Knight.

When you are running a tournament, you are using the official ruling you can find in the rules book or in the last FAQ (as said in the news for this open). All ruling from boards, mails, etc. are not used. When you think, there can be a particular problem with a card you can always ask before the tournament and we can act a common rules for, an only for, this tournament. But in all case the TO(s) are the final judge(s).


Tournament rules v3.0
Sanctioned tournaments are played
using the most recent rules set and
most updated version of the official
FAQ document, which can be found
at (http://www.fantasyflightgames.
com/edge_minisite_sec.
asp?eidm=11&esem=4) at any time.
Cards are interpreted using the
appropriate card rulings on the most
updated FAQ also found on the
website.

So in the current FAQ 3.4, immune is define in 2.36 :

Some cards have the card text “Immune
to X” in their text boxes. This means
that they cannot be targeted by cards
with that subtype and/or card type.
This also means that if a card with
that subtype and card type does not
target a specific character, but affects
all characters or a group of characters,
these cards ignores that effect. A
character can never be immune to its
own effects.

For example: Alaskan Sledge Dog (Mountains
of Madness F16) reads “Immune to Polar
events.” This means that the card cannot be
targeted by any event cards with the Polar
subtype. In addition, if there was a card effect
with the Polar subtype that affects all characters,
Alaskan Sledge Dog would not be affected.

Two things are said in this entry, nothing else:

a) An immune card cannot be targeted by cards. It means for the CK, a card with a triggered effect cannot target the CK (ex: a Deep one Assault cannot target the CK).
The triggered effect from an Cursed Skull (Murmurs of Evil F40) or Many-angled Thing (The Gleaming Spiral F99) for example are not targeting a card, but a player. Then the player have to do something (sacrifice a card in this case), the player is not a triggered effect  .

b) An immune card ignores all mass effects. It means for the CK,  a card with a triggering effect as “destroy all characters in play” will not destroy him (the CK is immuned to the plague stone for exemple). The triggered effect from an Cursed Skull (Murmurs of Evil F40) or Many-angled Thing (The Gleaming Spiral F99) is not a mass effect, the targeted player have to choose only 1 character.


So may, be Damon have the idea, the CK is protected from cursed skull and cie but in this case he has to complete/change the ruling from the entry 2.36 (May be add something about untargeted’s effects which are not mass effects).

So, we will wait for a next official faq to play it in another way in our meta and tournaments.

For players who want to debate about this question, I propose to do it in another post in the rules section: https://cenacle-hd.1fr1.net/t2728-claret-knight-immune-to-triggered-effects#33072

Merci à FFG pour le kit de tournoi, à Edge pour les goodies et jeux, à Fredhot pour ses surplus de lots, au Musée et à l’ELMA pour l’accueil et à tous les cultistes qui ont fait le déplacement.

Le tournoi s’est déroulé dans un cadre très agréable, on avait une salle pour nous seul, sous le regard vigilant du Lapin Blanc d’Alice au Pays des merveilles (en réalité un avatar de Nyarlathotep). Les photos de Blacksun ci-dessus vous montrent ça.

Il y avait 20 joueurs, venus de France (Antibes, Lyon, Paris), Finlande, Hollande, Pologne, Espagne. Le tournoi s’est joué en 5 rondes suisses de 50 mins, puis d’un top 8 pour déterminer le Champion 2015 qui est Sectario. Félicitation à ce Grand Ancien espagnol bien sympathique. A noter la performance des joueurs espagnols. Sur une délégation de 4 joueurs, ils étaient 3 à être dans le top 8. En seconde place, Milander le poulidor venu de Lyon, et en troisième place ex aequo Azathoth (France) et Tom (Pologne). A noter aussi la présence de 4 joueuses, la parité fait son bout de chemin...

Classement final :

1. Sectario (Espagne)
2. Milander (France)
3. Azatoth (France) /
3. Tom (Pologne)

5. Rekhatul / / 15 pts
6. Budmilka 9 pts (sos 63)
7. Mousssine / 9 pts (sos 60)
8. Hansen / / 9 pts (sos 57)

9. Konx / / 9 pts (sos 30)
10. WWdrakey / 9 pts (sos 30)
11. Hidra / 6 pts (sos 45)
12. Bitogno / 6 pts (sos 33)
13. Grumpy / 6 pts (sos 30)
14. Tanaari 6 pts (sos 27)
15. Priscilla / 6 pts (sos 24)
16. Blacksun / 3 pts (sos 39)
17. Nessy / 3 pts (sos 33)
18. Torghul 3 pts (sos 30)
19. Toef 3 pts (sos 21)
20. Noda / 0 

Je posterai les decklists dans la section dédiée. On constate la présence de beaucoup de et de , c'est pas très original tout ça . A noter le deck de Rekhatul, un deck meule sans personnage qui à l’issue des rondes était classé premier avec 5 victoires.

Quelques photos en plus.





Le Musée de la carte à jouer a son propre Prism of Many Views.









Girls fight ou la solitude d'un Dreamland Fanatic face à un gros matou.








Les lots du TOP 8 avec les jolis playmats de FFG.




Y'a pas que les arbitres qui dorment pendant la final, le photographe aussi !

Merci à Jef et Moussine pour l'orga carrée et l'accueil chaleureux.

Ce fut pour ma part une aprème trèèès sympa.

J'ai posté mon compte rendu détaillé dans le fil dédié à Sombre : https://cenacle-hd.1fr1.net/t2166p60-sombre#33085

konx a écrit:

mzi a écrit:Unfortunately, I am serious.
Maybe it is merely a communication problem, though.

I am still struggling with my agenda to make it possible to meet you all in Paris.

Amazing.

I hope that is not the reason why we still have to see the champ card from 2 years ago...

Good luck with the agenda struggle

Konx

As usual, you know. I asked Damon what was the procedure. He didn't answer. 2 or 3 times. then suddenly, 3 months later, he asked for ideas of card design. I gave  him my ideas 2 weeks later. Had to think about it. I gave 6 viable propositions. By the way, 5 of these were in a manner or another in the next extension I really don't know if it's just a coincidence. In the meantime I asked Damon for news. He said the new game designer would recontact me and that i didn't need to ask. I said ok. it's been 2 or 3 years now. Kind of bored so I let it go.